24-hr composters: There’s no microbe in this universe that can colonise in 24 hrs, says scientist Dr Manoj

Dr C N Manoj, Pelican Biotech.

Quite often, I find myself involved in long-winding email/social media conversations or phone calls with green volunteers of large communities discussing automatic or 24-hour composters to deal with huge quantities of kitchen rejects and garden clippings generated in their communities. It so happens that the individuals who care to discuss this issue threadbare are invariably those souls who believe in Nature’s perfection and are ready to live by its rules, patiently.

The following nuggets of wisdom pouring light on this topic are from scientist Dr C N Manoj, Founder-Director of Pelican Biotech. I have collated all the information he has shared with me through emails and phone calls here. This should help you bust any myth about these menacing machines of various brands that have carved out a sinuous trail through urban concrete jungles all over India and arm yourself with scientific facts to put forth your argument in favour of sustainable composting methods.

Dr Manoj is a biochemist, a rare kind with a deep sense of social responsibility. He is currently involved in large-scale projects in Kerala to bring about behavioural change among people to deal with the mounting garbage crisis. That he does by using carbon-neutral and carbon-positive resources to preserve and enhance the ecosystem we all inhabit.

What is composting?

Composting is the breaking down of complex chemical molecules like carbohydrates including cellulose, fat, protein, lignin, etc., into simpler compounds (monomers/dimers) such that either the monomers form food for the microbes or facilitate their growth. For example, carbohydrates are the sugar source. Protein is the amino acid source. Degradation of lignin is very important for the microbes to sustain as lignin is created by Nature to protect the plants from bacterial infection.

Minimum microbial load needed for composting

The standards of composting necessitates the presence of at least 2 lakh CFU microbes/cm of compost. This is to ensure that all the nutrients are converted to its ionic form which is the absorbable mode for plants.

Time needed for inoculation, colonisation & composting

Irrespective of the quantity of waste, for quick incubation, a minimum of 2% microbial inoculum needs to be added to it. Thus for 1kg, 20 gms. It will take 36 hours for the microbes to colonise. Now the next question is, can we add the waste on the second day? Yes, we need to add fresh microbes as above. However, the third day, we have around 1kg of populated media which can be considered inoculum for 50kgs of waste. By the end of the sixth day, we have 50kgs of inoculum for 2,500kgs of waste.

However, composting is a different scenario altogether. A completely inoculated waste will take at least 25 days to compostwhen humidity and temperature are idealto an EC value of less than 20 millimhos. This is where it doesn’t match with the 24-hour machines. That means nothing happens in 24 hours. For inoculating, it takes 36 hours and for composting even 1gm to whatever quantity, it will take 25 days, minimum. That means the volume of the waste will start reducing only by the 20th day. Then how can I keep on adding 100s of kgs of waste into the same vessel? That means the volume is being reduced by some other mechanism. That is dehydration. Biological materials have 80% of moisture which is removed by the machine. What we get out is acidic inert material which will require rehydration and inoculation for composting.

No microbe can colonise in 24 hours

There is no microbe in this universe that can colonise in 24 hours. The minimum incubation time is 48-72 hours and it takes days to colonise and start degradation process. Maybe, 15-20 days. Thus, 24-hour machines do not compost.

What a 24-hour composter does

The 24-hour composting machinelet’s call it 24-hour ‘fryer’simply removes water and other volatile components out of the organic material thrown into it for composting. There is no microbial proliferation. If packed and kept, it will stay as non-biodegradable matter. This will result in accumulation of non-biodegradable material in the soil surface which will progressively kill the microbial flora and fauna as there is no humus generated.

Do microbes colonise if we keep adding waste to the 24-hr machine?

Now an argument can be that the 24-hour compost machines actually do not empty out the product in 24 hours and we keep adding waste for the next 20-25 days and by this time, the microbes can grow. Even under these circumstances, the microbes cannot grow because of the decreasing moisture content. Thus the output of a 24-hour composting machine is just charred and dehydrated waste. Now the problem starts. If the waste was composted under natural conditions, the lignin content would have got degraded, reducing its EC value, hosting microbes, generating humus which eventually will become carbon dioxide to be absorbed by plants. In other words, the natural cycle. That’s simply not the case with the fryer. 

What happens once the ‘compost’ comes in contact with water

This output, once it comes in contact with water again, will start leaching out acidic phenols which will spoil the soil further. The material is similar to the lignin waste of pulp industry. The cellulosic component inside the vegetative matter will partially decompose due to heat and oxidation. But the phenolic matterthough it decomposes partiallywill stay acidic. On the contrary, in conventional composting process, these phenolic materials are decomposed.

What makes the plants suffer

Presence of phenolic matter in the soil will simply absorb all the nutrients and choke the plants. People mistakenly call this phenomenon, “heat”.

How nitrogen gets wasted in 24-hour ‘composting’

The conventional composting process requires accelerated removal of carbon while most of the nitrogen remains intact. Whereas in the fryer, the organic matterwhen heated upwill decompose protein faster and the resulting amino acids will release nitrogen gases faster. This is a huge waste of organic nitrogen. The current cost of organic nitrogen (at 3% content in compost which costs Rs 10/kg) is around Rs 300/kg. While the carbon-negative urea with 50% nitrogen will deliver the same quantity of organic nitrogen for Rs 50/kg. This will result in indiscriminate use of chemical urea which is killing the soil now.

How 24-hr composter breaks the dynamic organic cycle

Organic nitrogen is the solution and it needs to be fixed into humus or as nitrates. Only one thing can fix it: microbes. Composting process should keep on generating humus. Humus helps microbes grow. Microbes help decompose organic matter to release nutrients. Nutrients get absorbed by plants. Plants release more organic matter. This is a dynamic organic cycle. The fryer puts a break to this process!

The damage done by phenols and high EC

By rehydrating, we make it sterile. With high EC value, phenols leach out which not only kill the microbes but also prevent decomposition of even dead leaves by blocking humus formation, thereby stopping electrolytic transfer of nutrients to the roots. The presence of phenols also adsorb cationic (positive-charged) micro-nutrients starving the plants, thus completely killing the soil. The result is equivalent to what happened in Punjab due to excessive chemical fertilisers. The product will not degrade till the material again gets rehydrated, natural ligno-cellulolytic microbes colonise it, degrade the lignin and allow the bacteria to compost.

Good compost means low EC value

The whole idea of creating good compost with low electrical conductivity (EC) value is to enable people to start soil-less gardening and reduce carbon footprint. Fryers kill this purpose. This material has to be diluted by mixing with soil at least at 1: 500 ratio (24-hour ‘compost’ : soil) to enable cultivation into the media. We are not even talking about the power required to run these machines and the embedded carbon footprint.

Ideal EC value

Irrespective of the input, the composting process should bring down the EC value to not more than 20 millimhos (actually, I prefer 10).

Ideal C:N ratio

The C:N ratio of the best compost possible is 20:1. Any further enhancement is only by chemical addition or by high nitrogen material like protein or because of dehydration.

Time taken to assess the effect of this ‘compost’ on the soil

There are two effects. The first and the major one: It was meant to become humus to house microbes, but it is now converted into an inhospitable matrix. Secondly, its shelf-life. It can start composting in a few months. It will start leaching out phenols first, which will first kill the plants. The dump sites of such dried waste can be reclaimed in 2 to 3 years. That means we dry the waste and then carry out the processes as in conventional composting. Then why can’t we do it right now? Why do we dehydrate, then rehydrate and compost?

What about those who keep adding it to the soil?

They will never know. It’s like adding another ounce of toxin to the already piled up one.

“Pseudo hygiene consciousness”

Irrespective of the technical arguments I have put forth, as a human being, I am appalled by the plundering of natural resources by humans. I may humbly add that any shortcuts taken by flouting Nature’s rules and regulations have only created havoc. Be it creation of waste or its management. The reason for this is the inability of an average urbanite to physically handle his own life’s byproduct due to “pseudo hygiene consciousness” and lack of physical health which necessitates more convenience.

In every era, there were scientists and technicians who churned out such ruthless products, created market requirements by playing around the “convenience/automatic/quick mindset” of people. Unless we learn to work physically a little more, science will do what religion is doing nowkill people. If religion, which was supposed to create spiritual healing has created psychopaths, science is going to create couch potatoes who don’t want to move and kill themselves and also kill others (by preaching convenience).

16 thoughts on “24-hr composters: There’s no microbe in this universe that can colonise in 24 hrs, says scientist Dr Manoj

  1. Clear and precise reasoning to knockout Fast composting (24 hrs). Marketing drive may have got many such devices sold earlier. Hsg society/ assn do tend to pass resolutions to buy such machines at AGM to fast track the disposal of kitchen waste (organic). We need to spread the message to all Hsg complexes to keep off such machines.

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    • Thank you, Bikram. The only way we can spread the word is to first talk about it and let people know how destructive these machines can be. And then hope that the seeds of truth will fall on a fertile ground.


  2. Oh Ms. Savita!

    Excellent article that clears away all the cobwebs that let’s one see the reality of these “convenience” products being preached and preferred by myopic pseudo environmentalists.

    Thanks again not only to you but to Dr Manoj who let you into these secrets.

    May your tribe increase.

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  3. Thank you for the insight on the details. But recently I’ve been reached out by some company who claim to have a slightly different process where they would only heat it for like 4-6 hours depending upon the moisture content. After which they would keep the left over in open air for 5-6 days for dehumidification. They also claim that the soil test reports are much better than this burnt “compost” and can actually be used without harming the soil.
    I hope you’d help me out to better understand this

    Thank you


    • Sorry, Karthik. I don’t see how composting can happen when it is heated using power without letting the microbes do their job and then leave it in the open air. It maybe, MAYBE, better than the burnt compost as they claim but that’s it. It cannot be called compost, I am sure. There are multiple sustainable options available. I suggest you take a look. Because many customers have been cheated by some claims as almost all the machines I have come across do burn the waste for a few hours. Caution’s the word as you will be spending a lot of money on these machines. Good luck.


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  5. This 24 hours de composter is hoax and emits life-threatening gases and irritating sound which deprives sleep too. I stay in 104, Tower 2, Tata Capitol Heights, Nagpur and just below my flat this big piece of filthy machine is installed. It emits immense bad odour and is worse to any worst mammal shit emission. To further add the constant humming sound which comes is really annoying and breaks my family sleep, my mother due to this have left Nagpur and shifted to Pune with my younger sister.
    I feel my lungs will become bad and now we have new born baby of my daughter who has come from Bangalore and joined us a while.
    As i have myself been a big composter for my edible button mushroom farm know fully well that in 24 hours nothing can be composted and only by churning and heating dangerous fumes will emerge and solid waste will only be generated.
    I fully agree to Scientist Dr Manoj, that There’s no microbe in this universe that can colonise in 24 hrs.
    These companies which sell these health hazards and people who install these are playing with 5the health of residents in close-knit units like Tata Capitol Heights Nagpur which has around 360 flats in 4 towers and is highly dense.
    As studies prove that none of these companies which sell can prove that they can make compost in 24 hours. Its only a convininece to make a mockery of our municipal corporation and these townships which cant spend money in taking this filth some 20 kilometers away from the municipal limits.
    My major concern also is the poor workers who operate these machines and are at tremendous health risk. I have certain test reports of the gases emitted while running these in basements and closed rooms in our building. ON TOP OF IT THESE COMPOSTERS ARE sprayed with smell reducing chemicals that become even deadlier fume emitters.
    Tremendous money is saved by this fake waste disposal and inturn many plastic waste are too burnt alongside. Ideally, this needs strong action and these composters companies and responsible persons of the societies should be dealt with the highest levels in judiciary. These machines should be banned to have a real cleaner air in the heart of cities. These machines needs banning as they are playing with the health of citizens residing inside these dangerous gas bombs.

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    • So sorry to hear what you and your family have had to go through, Sanjay.

      The govt agencies responsible for ensuring a safe living environment have gone deaf and bling on this matter. Still, I seriously hope for a positive turnaround for you all. Take care.


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